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							- <sect1 id="ch02-askforhelp">
 
- <title>How to ask for help</title>
 
- <?dbhtml filename="askforhelp.html" dir="chapter02"?>
 
- <para>If you encounter a problem while using this book, and your problem 
 
- is not listed in the FAQ (<ulink
 
- url="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq"/>), you will find that most 
 
- of the people on Internet Relay Chat (IRC) and 
 
- on the mailing lists are willing to help you. An 
 
- overview of the LFS mailing lists can be found in 
 
- <xref linkend="ch01-maillists"/>. To assist us in diagnosing and solving
 
- your problem, include as much relevant information as possible in your
 
- request for help.</para>
 
- <sect2>
 
- <title>Things to mention</title>
 
-  
 
- <para>Apart from a brief explanation of the problem you're having, the
 
- essential things to include in your request are:</para>
 
- <itemizedlist>
 
- <listitem><para>the version of the book you are using (being &version;),</para></listitem>
 
- <listitem><para>the host distribution and version you are using to create
 
- LFS from,</para></listitem>
 
- <listitem><para>the package or section giving you problems,</para></listitem>
 
- <listitem><para>the exact error message or symptom you are receiving,</para></listitem>
 
- <listitem><para>whether you have deviated from the book at all.</para></listitem>
 
- </itemizedlist>
 
- <para>(Note that saying that you've deviated from the book doesn't mean
 
- that we won't help you. After all, LFS is about choice. It'll just
 
- help us to see other possible causes of your problem.)</para>
 
- </sect2>
 
- <sect2>
 
- <title>Configure problems</title>
 
- <para>When something goes wrong during the stage where the configure
 
- script is run, look at the last lines of the
 
- <filename>config.log</filename>. This file may contain errors
 
- encountered during configure which weren't printed to the screen.
 
- Include those relevant lines if you decide to ask for help.</para>
 
- </sect2>
 
- <sect2>
 
- <title>Compile problems</title>
 
- <para>To help us find the cause of the problem, both screen output and
 
- the contents of various files are useful. The screen output from both
 
- the ./configure script and the make run can be useful. Don't blindly
 
- include the whole thing but on the other hand, don't include too little.
 
- As an example, here is some screen output from make:</para>
 
- <para><screen>gcc -DALIASPATH=\"/mnt/lfs/usr/share/locale:.\"
 
- -DLOCALEDIR=\"/mnt/lfs/usr/share/locale\" -DLIBDIR=\"/mnt/lfs/usr/lib\"
 
- -DINCLUDEDIR=\"/mnt/lfs/usr/include\" -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.
 
- -g -O2 -c getopt1.c
 
- gcc -g -O2 -static -o make ar.o arscan.o commands.o dir.o expand.o file.o
 
- function.o getopt.o implicit.o job.o main.o misc.o read.o remake.o rule.o
 
- signame.o variable.o vpath.o default.o remote-stub.o version.o opt1.o
 
- -lutil job.o: In function `load_too_high':
 
- /lfs/tmp/make-3.79.1/job.c:1565: undefined reference to `getloadavg'
 
- collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 
- make[2]: *** [make] Error 1
 
- make[2]: Leaving directory `/lfs/tmp/make-3.79.1'
 
- make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 
- make[1]: Leaving directory `/lfs/tmp/make-3.79.1'
 
- make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2</screen></para>
 
- <para>In this case, many people just include the bottom section where it
 
- says <screen>make [2]: *** [make] Error 1</screen> and onwards. This
 
- isn't enough for us to diagnose the problem because it only tells us
 
- that <emphasis>something</emphasis> went wrong, not
 
- <emphasis>what</emphasis> went wrong. The whole section, as
 
- in the example above, is what should be included to be helpful, because it
 
- includes the command that was executed and the command's error
 
- message(s).</para>
 
- <para>An excellent article on asking for help on the Internet in general
 
- has been written by Eric S. Raymond. It is available online at <ulink
 
- url="http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html"/>.
 
- Read and follow the hints in that document and you are much more likely
 
- to get a response to start with and also to get the help you actually
 
- need.</para>
 
- </sect2>
 
- </sect1>
 
 
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